Friday, March 6, 2009

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter?!

Author: Rover

Often, regrettably, the terms terrorist and freedom fighters (or rebels) are used interchangeably by many, but these two terms are very distinct and should only be used in the correct context. For instance when discussing terrorism in Sri Lanka, major human rights agencies (like Human Rights Watc), ceasefire monitors (Sri Lanka Monitoring Mission) and international media (like BBC, AFP, REUTERS ect.) use these terms randomly, confusing the public about what terrorism actually is. Furthermore, a jaded cliché of those who justify terrorism (eg. MIA – Maya Arulpragasam) is “one man’s terrorist is another man’s’ freedom fighter”, a clear indication that they do not distinguish the two terms.

Confused public is a major problem, especially in democracies; since the democratic process depends heavily on how well informed the public and the representatives of the public are, to address crucial issues in governance. In other words, rule of the people, by the people, for the people is disrupted when the people are misinformed.

Terrorism can be broadly defined as intentionally terrorizing civilians/people of a country to achieve a political goal. However methods used by terrorists to terrorize can differ, such as random shooting, suicide bombings, poison gas attacks, hostage taking ect. The political goals that the terrorists strive for can be as diverse as creation of separate state, spreading of a fanatic ideology, facilitating anarchy so that illegal and immoral practices like pirating and smuggling can be carried out, release of a fellow captive terrorist, ect. Terrorists use this environment of fear and confusion in the general populace to achieve their political goals. Never in the history have any of these groups been concerned about defending the ideals they actively trample on (for example human rights). Terrorists will only honor the democratic ideals once these groups give up violence (renounce violence).

Consider Khmer Rouge, the terrorist organization headed by the infamous Pol-Pot. They did not only attack the Vietnamese forces but also attacked Vietnamese civilians, intellectuals (even non-intellectuals with eye defects that wore spectacles were assassinated!). The ultimate human cost of that conflict was nearly 3 million people; there is no way that all these people are militants, and most of those who died were civilians. Khmer Rouge instilled in the populace a sense of terror or that 'no one is safe'. Even after the conflict has ended, these regions are still paying for the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge.

What did the innocent that died in the 9/11 attacks have against the Jihadis? Basically nothing. Jihadis attacked these innocent civilians to instill a sense fear (or terror) in the greater population (at lease that was the Jihadis aimed for). Terrorists revel on the fact that there is a lack of connection between the cause that they are fighting for and the innocent people that suffer; or in other words, they strive to confuse and terrorize at the same time.

Freedom-fighters do battle against repressive governments and their armies, not against the civilians that they aim to protect/uplift. They don't terrorize civilians to achieve a political goal.

In 1940s, when Nazis overran France, and later tried to suppress the French Citizens by various means, the French Resistance Movement (FR) was born. FR hardly ever tried to instill a sense of fear among the civilians, but only carried out a campaign of attrition against the far more powerful Nazi army and the Vichy regime (the French government that collaborated with the Germans). However, the Vichy regime and the Nazis resorted to terrorist activities. They took large numbers of French civilians as hostages, and for each of the “subversive” acts the FR carried out, several hostages were killed. The Vichy regime tried to put the blame of these killings indirectly on the FR. However, the people realized who the real aggressor was and kept supporting the FR, and even women and children were involved active duty, not necessarily combat duty. The actions of FR enabled Allies to sweep through France quite rapidly after Normandy landing in 1944, and also helped numerous allied soldiers, pilots and spies who were stranded in enemy territory to head back to allied territory.

There are also freedom fighters that do not resort to violence. Mahatma Gandhi and his Satyagrah movement, which can be defined as the resistance of tyranny by mass civil disobedience, is one of the best examples. It is ludicrous to equate something like this with LTTE's unmitigated violence.

LTTE are definitely not freedom fighters, but terrorists, and should be identified and treated as such. BBC and other agencies, by trying seemingly to be neutral in reporting a conflict do a lot of harm to legitimate governments that try to maintain democracies and the rule of law. The atrocities committed by LTTE terrorists are too numerous to list, but is not confined to suicide bombings of public buses and public gatherings, killing of intellectuals (mostly Tamil intellectuals), attacking and killing entire villages, attacking places of worship, assassination of representative of civilians like President Premadasa and Ex-Prime minister of India – Rajiv Gandhi ect.

Some argue that there is state sponsored terrorism as well; sure, but there are two quite distinct categories. First there are regimes that sponsor terrorism: as Bejamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, correctly asserted, terrorists can’t exist without the support of states that support terrorism. Most of the terrorists groups come into being through the support of repressive states, examples are numerous – India initially supporting the Sri Lankan terrorists (many organizations including the LTTE), Iran, Libya, and Iraq supporting numerous middle Eastern terrorist groups, Pakistan’s support of Laksha-E-Toiba ect.

Second there are democracies that fight terrorism using sometimes unconventional methods, and these regimes are often branded, by those who are sympathetic towards actual terrorists, as “state terrorists”. The use of unconventional methods (military intelligence operations ect. – but NOT DELIBERATE killing of civilians), experts say, are needed to counter terrorism.

To compound the situation, democratically elected regimes only get on average a four year term to rule a country, and they have to respect the will of the people during that time and in contrast, terrorists have an unlimited amount of time to do whatever they want to do. For example, Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksha has the support of the Sri Lankan citizen to wage the war against the LTTE terrorists, but he has only a short amount of time to do this, but through unity of command,he has been doing this successfully (and there is absolutely no need to perpetuate a problem if it can mostly be dealt with quickly). Though I concur that addressing the root causes that giving rise to terrorism is the best method to make sure that ideologies connected to terrorism do not manifest, one cannot do this during the short four year period while fighting a terrorist regime. So democracies are forced to fight terrorism when and where they see it.

Democracies who fight terrorism also take a huge risk both with its own people and the international community. If the people decide that the war is not going anywhere, and the government has misused its power in suppressing the terrorists, the people can then change the government, they can make way for a more moderate set up (like what happened in the US – Bush being replaced by Obama); IC can contribute to this through many means. So in a democracy, there is a MECHANISM TO CHANGE a repressive regime. Lets’ take Sri Lanka as a general example, for the last 30 years, the LTTE has been fighting the Sri Lanka Government (SLG). Though the LTTE has gotten more and more violent throughout these 30 years, killing up to about 75,000 people, GSL leadership has changed seven times (though the top leader, the president, didn't change so many times, the setup of the government changed). Sometimes, there had been fairly liberal governments and sometimes more autocratic (or Hawkish one might say) governments, and which government next comes into power is decided by the people. So repressive “state terrorism”, if it exists, and if the majority are troubled by it, that government can be defeated when it becomes a problem. However for a terrorist group like the LTTE, the only change is towards causing more violence and problems to civilians, to get at its goal, and there is no non-violent, short term and simple method to get rid of these terrorist groups.

On top of these constraints democracies face in combating terrorism, terrorists groups also exploit the situation by providing access only to agencies and organizations that are only sympathetic/supportive towards their cause, opening up a way for misinformation. Through this sort of pussy-footing, by these supposedly responsible and exemplary organizations like the BBC, with terrorists, and warping of the truth, it is only a matter of time before all what we hold dear (democracy and the associated ideals) will be defeated by terrorists through the very same democratic processes that terrorists seek to annihilate!

Hence, these two terms, terrorists and freedom-fighters, considering the enormous burden that the free (democratic) world endures due to terrorism (terrorists), should never be equated or trivialized.

43 comments:

  1. "Freedom-fighters do battles against repressive governments and their armies"

    Are you trying to quote, Srilanka is not a repressive Gov.

    If its not then there wont be LTTE, which survived for 38 years,

    Better luck next time.

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  2. The most successful 'Freedom Fighting' anywhere in the world is by 'none-violence' means!

    Violence is outdated, and has failed miserably when violence is unleashed against the majority!

    Any violence to achieve political objective should be considered as 'terrorism'. Anyone unleash terror to achieve his/her political idiologies should be considered as a terrorist.

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  3. Real, Thanks for commenting mate. You didn't understand my point at all; consider the whole definition of a freedom fighter not just one part (not against the civilians that they aim to protect/uplift). furthermore, I also said repressive governments can be changed through the democratic processes. And LTTE has been fighting successive governments that came through the will of the people.

    But it was always the same LTTE, perceptually getting more and more violent, and resorting repeatedly to terrorize the civilians to attain the political goal of Eelam. Until the day it is going to drown in its own violence.

    I don't depend on luck; but facts. But thanks anyways.

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  4. Thanks mate, NoLTTE,

    "Any violence to achieve political objective should be considered as 'terrorism'."

    I think this is a little too much of an oversimplification. There are repressive, non-democratic regimes that needs to be got rid of, for the betterment of its own civilians. The way you go about this is important. Civilians should not be harmed if at all possible (but sure, civilians die in any war, but they should not be targeted like the LTTE does).

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  5. Rover!

    i agree with your facts that relates to other nations in this world, but definitley not any Srilankan governments.

    As we all know how the tamil political parties protested against the sinhala Gov before the birth of LTTE in non-voilence manner and you know how they were crushed and oppressed.

    So what was the alternative the Tamils had? to make you guys understand.

    And are you telling me the Srilankan Gov never killed any Tamils?

    Thanks

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  6. Real,

    I am no great fan of our governments myself, there is so much room to improve and I am someone who is pushing them to come up with the best for Sri Lanka. But current GSL has carried out the war against the LTTE effectively. This is a must for all Sri Lankans to move ahead as a nation.

    The major blunder that LTTE did was attacking civilians, not just for a couple of days (like that happened when hooligans attacked innocent Tamils in 83 and several times before that), but for 38 years. And what have they achieved today, through this unmitigated violence. They are fighting for their survival in a small corner of Sri Lanka with the people held as a human shield.

    The current regime has no option but to go against the terrorism of the LTTE, as it has a mandate from the people to do that. Everyone who is opposed to the war, will have to wait until the LTTE is dead, to contribute.

    LTTE's birth under VP was not non-violent. It started off as Tamil New Tigers (TNT - even this stands for a high explosive!) and started out by murdering Alfred Duraiappah, a fellow tamil legislator, in the entrance to a major Kovil. But LTTE was highly successful after 83 riots. Ok, my point again. Soon afterwards, the people who instigated the riots, and the disgraced government and its leader, fell never to gain its former glory. This is democracy at work. Sinhala people never endorsed the 83 riots.

    But LTTE never changed. This is the crucial issue, and now it is paying the price for its conservativeness.

    Governments fighting terrorists kill civilians accidentally, but they are never targeted specifically. There are no operational plans to kill civilians (at least among the liberal democracies). Likewise, Sri Lankan government have killed Tamils mistakenly, but not deliberately.

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  7. Thanks Rover, nice articulation.

    Unfortunately I don't know how easy it will be to convince BBC to change their moral relativism, which they seem to apply selectively against weak players like Sri Lanka.

    I am sure they are aware of the danger of blurring the boundary between good freedom fighter and bad terrorist.

    We have to understand that the ultimate agenda of these media institutions is to reshape the world in subtle ways.

    We have to convince them that it is in their own interests to de-legitimize terrorism as a tool of resistance.

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  8. When it comes to classifying LTTE and SLG on Terrorism, it is CRYSTAL clear that LTTE is a Terrorist group than SLG is state Terrorists.

    SLG has been elected to carry out wishes of the people of Sri Lanka.

    LTTE is a self appointed entity to carry out an ad-hoc agenda.


    Real, the suggestion that Tamils were none violent before LTTE was not true. Even supporters of Gandhi were violent even though he himself was not. The Tamil leaders central to so called 'none violent' movements were pretending to be none violent while rubbing Sinhalese the wrong way. When 2500 years old Sinhalese know that Tamils are only 350 years old and they are asking an autonomy from the most none-violent way, it is violent enough provoke someone.

    Tamils leaders in the first few centuries of their existence worked with Portuguese and English from every opportunity they got to suppress Sinhalese.

    The problem in Sri Lanka is due to over ambitious Tamil leadership and nothing to do with ordinary Tamils who are suffering due to irresponsible leadership.

    Alternative for Tamils: Going back to TN and make their demands there if they so wanted.

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  9. Anonymous, Thank you.

    Yes, to change the BBC, we will need a lot of articles like this, and even that might not work. Would the BBC sinhala service also die from its present form due to its conservativeness?

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  10. ReallyCold,

    Howdy mate, hope everything is going well.

    "LTTE is a self appointed entity to carry out an ad-hoc agenda."

    Another gem by you.

    In general thanks for your points. Really appreciate them.

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  11. I think this 'real' is either joking, or seriously deluded by Tamil racist propaganda.

    Real, I don't know If you are for real, but have you been to Sri Lanka on your own? Have you been to any of the towns where Tamils live like everyone else even during these trying times.

    Tamil Tigers face repression in Sri Lanka, not because they are Tamil, but because they are "TERRORISTS".

    Every terrorist will pretend to be a freedom fighter so that they can hide behind their host population.

    LTTE is the archetypal terrorist group. This fact should be beyond any doubt to any neutral observer, but unfortunately a lot of FUD has been thrown around to cover it up.

    If repression is the cause of LTTE, then there should be dozens of LTTE's in Tamil Nadu alone.

    Try visiting the rural Tamil Nadu and compare that with Sri Lanka.

    There are problems in Sri Lanka, but it is not as nearly as bad as what LTTE racists say.

    When LTTE is eliminated we will have another opportunity to prevent Tamil racism from going down this bloody path.

    Thanks Rover.

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  12. Did any of the our learnered Tamil friends ever consider why they can't justify the notion of LTTE terrorism?

    It is because it is a bad practice.

    This is because, currently, the nations or the ideals that we strive to follow, are generally trying to be good and democratic. There is no place for something like terrorism in this. Terrorism is a very primitive notion, that however may reign over liberal democracy one day.

    Just imagine living under VP and worshiping his cemeteries of kids who died in war, changing your names, and having pittu everyday.

    A day that I wouldn't want to be around!

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  13. Dear Anonymous, thanks for your great points.

    "Try visiting the rural Tamil Nadu and compare that with Sri Lanka."

    In TN, I once saw a women in a small pool catching guppies with her Sarree end, and a man thin as twig standing beside her with a tin, collecting them. They were collecting it for lunch. Never saw that in SL.

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  14. A really great post. Thank you Rover. never seen such a lucid and well explained post on the subject you describe. -RK-

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  15. Thought you should see this. If you haven't already, check out the original cartoons in this new blog.

    http://sandeshaya-canada.blogspot.com

    The guy is talented, and perhaps we could do more to encourage people like him.

    Sorry for being anon, don't have an ID to use right now.

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  16. Thanks Ano, Thanks for the link, the guy is really talented, and the least I could do is a put a link on my blog, which I did. Cheers.

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  18. Ado rover, LTTE are freedom fighters not terrorists. What do you know da? If stupid gosl stop attacking us all the time the people can go. stupid chena boy.

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  19. The last anonymous (now this is getting to be confusing), please read again. Sorry for not agreeing with me for no reason. Argue your point, then I can say something if I see it needs a response. We were all once Chena boys, it is in our genes, what can we do?!

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  20. Dear Rover:

    Nice article.

    Almost all sections of the society have chosen to define terrorism in terms of "Idealism", Aim. This is manifested in the use of words liberation, freedom and justice, etc. These are very nice ideals. Ideals, unless we really careful, are vague and amphibious. The same Ideal can mean two different things to different people


    For this reason “non-terrorist” people can choose these Ideals to cast terrorism in many euphuisms so that these non-terrorist people can derive some indirect benefits towards their own needs. This is opportunism in the worst form. Terrorist themselves can use this vagueness to legitimise their own psychological and material needs

    Nicaragua's contras were freedom fighters to Reagon and LTTE were freedom fighters to Indira.

    What we need to do is to define terrorism in terms of means that are being used not in terms of the ideals that are professed. This definition must allow the use of reasonable force by legitimate governments to fulfil legitimate aspirations.

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  21. Dear Swarnajith,

    Thanks so much for your exposition. I really appreciate this.

    "Nicaragua's contras were freedom fighters to Reagon and LTTE were freedom fighters to Indira."

    Exactly, the states that support terrorism, use the term "freedom-fighters", who are really terrorists to cause mayhem in other societies. Unfortunately, the greatest democracies were also guilty of this.

    However, since the killing of Rajiv and since 9/11 the situation has somewhat changed for the better, as there is effort by IC to bring down the idea of terrorism. However, the actions of some of the putative free media facilitate to delegitimize this effort. This must stop. Hence my effort.

    Best, Rover.

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  22. Thanks Rover.

    Yes there seem to be a change in the approach of the world community.

    I hope that I am wrong and I maybe wrong, but I doubt that the International community has totally denounced terrorism in no uncertain terms.

    India and Pakistan accuse each other of terrorism. If the accusation is correct for at least one party then my premise is valid.

    On the other hand , if these accusations were wrong then both countries use "terrorism" to achieve their ends.

    Accusing of terrorism without proper evidence on another party is itself political terrorism that can be easily led into violent terrorism.

    In either case, world is yet to denounce terrorism in no uncertain terms.

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  23. Yes, Swarnajith I agree.

    "In either case, world is yet to denounce terrorism in no uncertain terms."

    This is the reason why HRW, BBC, REuters can pull out stunts like graying the area between terrorism and freedom-fighters.

    We are also not doing enough. We borrow money from regimes that support world terrorism like Iran. When we pay back with interest, these regimes can perpetuate further terrorism. This must stop at as soon as possible.

    We need to unite to fight terrorism wherever it exists.

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  24. Dear Rover:

    "We are also not doing enough. We borrow money from regimes that support world terrorism like Iran. When we pay back with interest, these regimes can perpetuate further terrorism. This must stop at as soon as possible."Yes Rover, it is very true: We all are opportunists. Yet if we can practice assertiveness without yielding I think still we can get their help.


    Something is terrorism only if it hurts us. If we somehow benefit from it, then it is ok and close our eyes. use an euphism.

    Moralism alone (you need weapons and proper strategies etc. ) cannot win wars, but it certainly can help a great deal to avoid and win wars.

    This moralism should be an ideal of the Nation so that we can stand on our feet without any feat or favour.To develop such a stand it takes time, but we are at the threshold that we can start our journey in this path.


    It is pleasure to exchange ideas with you Rover.

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  25. Hi Rover,

    Excellent write up. I only came across your blog just today, when an anonymous poster left a comment with a link to this write up. I now see that he is also instrumental in introducing my blog to you, and I like to thank both you and anon (whoever you are) for the kind words.

    I really like the way you handle the discussions. People should be able to disagree without resorting to name calling, threats etc. on blogs. I guess in away that kind of attitude on the cyber world is a direct reflection of the "real" world out there today. When it comes to solving issues and disagreements people just lose it.

    I would like to post this article on my blog as well, with a link to your space. I hope this is okay with you. Let me know as I have already sent you an e-mail request earlier today.

    Once again excellent stuff and I have lot of reading to do on your past blogs, which combined with maintaining my blog should be enough to keep me up all weekend!

    cheers!

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  26. Dear Sinhaya,

    Thank you so much for your compliments.

    I too am so glad that I found your site, thanks to that anonymous blogger. Your cartoons are excellent, have a very profound meaning than most of the ordinary stuff that we see. Keep it up my friend.

    I just replied to your email. As I said in the email, of course you can use my stuff, it is a pleasure meeting a civilized person like you.

    Best, Rover

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  27. "It is pleasure to exchange ideas with you Rover."

    With you too, dear Swarnajith.

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  28. Sinhaya:

    I am very happy to hear your comments. The fear opinions lead many people to call names and insult another.

    They try to justify it by using the euphemism, calling spade a spade.

    I really doubt that they understand what it is meant by calling spade a spade.

    Not realizing that anybody can be right and wrong at the same time, not acknowledging we have been wrong thousand times before, or we can be wrong at present too or we will be wrong in future also, we just use name calling and filth against others.

    By doing so we are exposing our own true-selves, not our victims. That is, we show the world that we are weak,meek and mean. Laughable is that we think that this filth saying and name calling are divine signs of strengths.

    There are people who always call spade a spade but never use filth or name calling.

    This name calling is even prevalent in academic writing also among educated people.

    This name calling and resorting to insults are nothing but cutting off one's own nose just because he is angry or hate or somebody else or somebody else's idea.

    This behavior is a certain sign of immaturity and childishness of psychological, emotional and intellectual nature. This is not lack of intelligence, though. This is lack of samma sathi (right mindfulness).

    If you want to use my articles, please use them and just send me an e-mail where they have been used.

    Thanks!

    Swarnajith Udana

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  29. sinhaya:

    Please leave your blog address. Thanks!

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  30. Hi Swarnajith Udana,

    I agree whole heartedly. It's important for each of us to search within our selves on how to better treat others, even when they do not agree with us. I think one of the main issues in the SL problem is that having been moderate, and understanding about other's issues all this time, most people probably feel that they have given more than receiving, hence this hardened stances we see and attitudes of, not again. While I understand their frustration the problem arises when the pendulum swing far across to the other extreme, and we end up becoming worse than the other party. It's a fine line that each of has to be aware of.

    Thanks again for the permission and I could definitely use your stuff. My blog link is as follows. As I mentioned to Rover, you also can use my cartoons and other relevant items from the blog!

    http://sandeshaya-canada.blogspot.com

    Later!

    Sinhaya

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  31. Thanks Rover, really enjoyed reading this.

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  32. Dear Swarnajith,

    I also have a link to Shinhaya's blogspot under by blogroll.

    Can I put down your Gmail address on your posts, so that people can tell you directly if/when they publish your stuff elsewhere? - best -

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  33. BBC or the LTTE?

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  34. Folks, don't respond to people who just denigrate. In propaganda technique this is called ad hominem, attacking a person but not their arguments. Please just ignore such fellows.

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  35. Dear Rover:

    You may put my Gmail address on the posts. New design is wonderful. Thanks!

    SU

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  36. Rover,

    Good article, thanks.

    Usual classification of terrorists or freedom fighters starts with journalists and media personals. Terrorists do not follow rules or ethics. They will do anything to achieve their aims and goals. Due to this reason journalists and media people try to white wash terrorists as freedom fighters in order to get news items and their side of the story.

    That is what happened in Sri Lanka. In earlier days, media people were scared to go into tiger territory but some foreign journalists and media people went to Kilinochchi via south India to get news items and photos. They are the people who gave this freedom fighters label, without that they cannot access tiger leaders.

    In short journalists white wash terrorists to get access to otherwise prohibited killing fields. Their selfish motives to get Pulitzer Price have cost some nations with conflicts heavily.

    I blame media for distortion of image of terrorism to freedom fighters initially. Then human right activists and politicians go for cheap publicity with same media people to support so called freedom fighters.

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  37. Thanks Romeo, very nicely put. At the ground level, what you described is what most journalists do, to get access to hard to reach stories. Once the story is made up, the top journalists don't care about the morality that was sacrificed in getting the story.

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  38. Rover,

    Still at the same subject;

    Terrorism:

    • Attack civilians without selection
    • Export battles to different locations other than where issue exists
    • Has external influence
    • Centred around an individual leader
    • The end justifies the means
    • Motive – greed and power
    • Follow racial or religious ideology

    Freedom Fighters:

    • Attack military and government targets only
    • Fights in area of dispute
    • Only have internal influence
    • Not centred on a individual
    • Means must be justifiable
    • Motive – freedom and democracy

    The above clearly shows LTTE is a terrorist organisation which terrorise all Sri Lankans without racial, religious or any other demarcations.

    Except their main terror activities limited to Sri Lanka in most cases; assassination of Indian prime minister, intimidation, extortion, fraud, drug trafficking and human trafficking have affected other communities internationally.

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  39. Another interesting difference:

    Freedom Fighters:

    A freedom fighter wants to live and let live, fighting against those individuals who intrude upon his (or sometimes someone else's) private lives. Freedom fighters target tyrants and their agents but do not seek to replace them with just another brand of tyranny.

    Terrorists:

    By contrast, a terrorist spreads fear among a whole populace, killing indiscriminately to threaten all. Terrorists usually aren't fighting for anyone's freedom. Instead, they're usually fighting for their own chance to be tyrants, hence their disregard even for the lives of the people they may claim to be "liberating".

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